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Buying and Double Bass - New or Used?

*Updated 21st Dec 2022


*It is highly recommended to consult an expert/instructor before committing to purchase the instrument.


A question I get asked a lot is whether one should go for a new double bass or a used one.

The fact remains that double basses are not cheap - a lot to do with economic reasons.


The same amount of wood that is used to construct the double bass could be used to create 4 violins which will probably fly off the shelves much faster than a double bass because of the bigger market demand.

Sizing

Prior to getting a new/used double bass, do take note of the sizing information as well.


Do take note that this is a very general gauge based on the average build of students at that age group.


It is only within the recent decade or so that fractionals became popular as more kids start their string playing journey earlier.

1/8, 1/4 - For kids around 9-11 years of age (rare to find this size in the Singapore market, usually have to pre-order from retailers)

1/2 - For kids around 10-14 years of age (more common nowadays but a pre-order might be necessary depending on available stock)

3/4 - For students 12 years and above (most easily available, orchestra basses are usually this size, easiest to find)

7/8 - For intermediate students with bigger arm and finger span (uncommon in the market)

Do check your teacher, if you are unsure which size of double bass is suitable for you.

Otherwise you can also get a retailer to help size you up.

Getting a wrong sized bass (especially one that is too big) might be problematic, because it will be difficult for the kids to get the correct posture, which might translate to intonation/relaxation problems in the future.

Hybrid or Fully Carved?

Hybrid basses are those with a carved top, laminated sides and back. They are affordable (range from S$1400-S$4000) for beginners to intermediate students. This is usually the option to go with for sizes before 3/4.

Fully Carved basses are considered the best option (dependent on the manufacturing process as well) to get if it can fit into your budget (range from S$3000 and above) as the sound gets better over time (with constant playing of the instrument and good maintenance habits).

 

New Double Bass

If you are looking for a new double bass that is between S$2500 - S$3800, I do recommend the following:


Do give them a call before making your way down so that they could setup the instrument properly prior to the test.

The good thing about getting a new bass from reputable shops is that you can always go back to them for fixes if you encounter any problems.

Accessories like bass bag, bow, rosin (recommended Nyman or Carlsson) are also bundled with the double bass sale (check the type and quality of what they are giving you prior to committing the purchase).

Usually, the staff at the shop will be able to tell you more about the type of wood that is used to make the double bass, where the wood is from, where the bass is made, the drying process of the wood, whether it's hybrid or fully carved etc.

If you find that getting a new bass isn't an option for now, you can always consider getting a used double bass.

 

Used Double Bass

There are people who are letting go of their pre-loved basses on Carousell.

In Consumer-to-Consumer (C2C) sales, they might only be able to tell you which shop they bought it from, what has the bass been used for, how old is it etc. Most C2C sellers might not be able to answer the more technical questions.

Remember to check whether they bundle the bow, bass bag along with the double bass if you need them. Without stating it outright, it might turn out to be "instrument-only".

Consider whether the seller has been maintaining the bass well - which means:

1) changing strings periodically before they fray or get rusty

2) ensuring due care when swapping out old strings and installing new ones to make sure that the bridge feet is still sitting properly on the bass (to prevent bridge warp)

3) keeping the bass away from moisture, or drastic changes or extremes in humidity and temperature

4) ensuring that it is in a "playable" state

Extra Cost?

Getting an old bass back into a "playable" state might end up costing more than purchasing a new worry-free bass, why?

Strings cost - A new set of decent strings cost between S$180-$280 at least.

Bridge cost - A bridge costs between S$350-S$500 depending on their brand and type, have to check whether it includes workmanship.

Miscellaneous cost - If this is your first bass purchase, you will need to get a decent bow, a stopper, a bass bag and rosin, should these not be included in the bundle offered by the seller.

Repair cost - Open seams or cracks on the bass, stuck endpin, faulty tuning machine heads etc requires repair, estimated cost S$100-S$900. However, there will be a risk of the seam opening up again after the glue fix, or there might be a chance that a seam might open up somewhere else.

Re-setup cost - If the action of the bass is too high (difficult to press the strings down), depending on the cause of issue (sunken fingerboard, fingerboard scoop, bridge/nut too high), it might set you back several hundreds as well.

Even after reading all these, if you are still willing to set aside additional money (at least S$1000-S$1800, check the pricing of the new-same-model bass to ensure that you don't pay more than a new one of the same tier after the fixes and miscellaneous stuff, otherwise the consideration is whether it would be more worth it to get a new one instead?) to "repair and revamp" the used instrument, there are pros to getting a used double bass:

1) It is already "seasoned" and you can more easily get the idea of the full range of tonal possibilities the bass has to offer - provided it is well-maintained.

2) It might be cheaper than the new ones of the same model (or more expensive depending on what upgrades has been done)

Go through the following checklist when auditioning a used bass.

Some parts might also be applicable to testing a new double bass.

A) Pre-Playing Check

1) Cracks, Open Seams

Before even touching or playing the bass, always remember to visually inspect it for any cracks (not scratches) or open seams from top to base.

Do not be shy to whip out your mobile phone flashlight if the lighting isn't ideal.

Highlight the presence of cracks/open seams to the seller straightaway if you spot them.

Open seams are very common in the violin family of instruments and can be rectified easily by a professional luthier. Cracks might be a little more complicated.

Even though these are "fixable" issues, it can add on to the initial cost and overrun your budget, so the question here is will the additional cost be borne by the seller or you (the buyer)?

If you feel really uncomfortable with handling a cracked or open seam instrument, thank the seller for his/her time and walk away.

Do not feel obliged to play/test the instrument if the cracks bother you.

Scroll Crack which we might miss

Scroll Crack

2) Bridge

Check if the bridge warped.

Warped bridges like the one below can either be swapped out by replacing it with a new one, or it can be bent back with heat if there is only slight warping (do get help from a luthier).

Quite often, it represents a lack of knowledge on the seller's part in maintenance,

ie. old strings not being changed for a long time but constantly being tuned to get up to pitch,

or replacement of strings wasn't done with due care.

Example of a warped bridge

Warped Bridge

3) Strings

Are the strings rusty? Any greenish colour? Are they fraying?

Before you try out the bass, take note of where the string is fraying at because it might cut your fingers if you try to shift positions over that area.

Are the strings able to get up to pitch and stay remain at pitch (Not applicable to new strings that have just been installed on the bass)?

Does it stay consistent in pitch as you draw your bow across?

Is the harmonic producing the same pitch as the open string?

If the answer to any of the three above points is no, it is a sign that the strings are old and needs to be replaced.

4) Endpin (If you need to use it)

Are you able to draw out the endpin easily or is it stuck? Once you've tightened it, does it slide down easily?


It is normal for the endpin screw to untighten itself slightly because it will rattle as the bass is being played, try to tighten the leg of the endpin screw onto the endpin notches if any.

B) Playing Check

1) Action

Is the action (low or high) okay?

Is it fairly easy to press the strings down along the length of the fingerboard?

If it does not go down easily, is it caused by the nut height, the bridge height or the scoop of the fingerboard (might be difficult to identify without the help of the luthier)?

2) Buzzing

Try the range of notes from low to high, like maybe a 2-octave E or G major scale since that's the commonly used range for the double bass.

Are there any buzzing tones?

Are we able to locate the source of the buzzing tone?

Does it come from the

a) endpin (change the endpin height to change the fundamental frequency),

b) the belly of the double bass (get the seller or a friend to press gently against the belly of the bass while you play the note to see if it stops)

c) string buzzing against the fingerboard when you press a certain note,

d) or is it caused by the furniture around around you?

If the buzzing is from the bass, is it something which can be fixed rather easily with a wolf eliminator,

a proper re-setup (the buzz will go away after some time),

or a planing of the fingerboard?

Or is it something more serious like a bass bar problem which only an experienced luthier will be able to tell and fix? In this case the bass has to be opened up to re-glue the bass bar, a major operation.

If you can't identify the source of the buzzing, it is risky to commit the purchase because you do not know the extent of work needed to fix the buzzing. It is recommended that you come back to the seller again with someone who has more experience with the instrument.

 

When getting a used instrument, these are the considerations that we have to keep in mind.

Are we ready to deal with the risks/fixes that comes with a second-hand instrument?

That being said, gems do pop up once in a while in the second-hand double bass market however, if you wait long enough (might take a while).

Hope this helps to address the pre-purchase concerns while buying a double bass, regardless of new or used.


Let me know if I missed out anything in the comments below.

Good luck and remember that it is "All about that Bass"!

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